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		<title>By: Kurt Buser</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/03/sordid-population-control/#comment-10779</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I discovered your blog site on google and check a few of your early posts. Continue to keep up the good operation. I just additional up your RSS feed to my MSN News Reader. Seeking forward to reading more from you later on!…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered your blog site on google and check a few of your early posts. Continue to keep up the good operation. I just additional up your RSS feed to my MSN News Reader. Seeking forward to reading more from you later on!…</p>
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		<title>By: testowe</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/03/sordid-population-control/#comment-7407</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you ever considered about including a little bit more than just your articles? I mean, what you say is valuable and everything. However think of if you   added some great photos or video clips to give your posts more, &quot;pop&quot;! Your content is excellent but with pics and videos, this website could definitely be one of the best in its niche. Very good blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever considered about including a little bit more than just your articles? I mean, what you say is valuable and everything. However think of if you   added some great photos or video clips to give your posts more, &#8220;pop&#8221;! Your content is excellent but with pics and videos, this website could definitely be one of the best in its niche. Very good blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/03/sordid-population-control/#comment-3422</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.  I am doing a sociology report at my college (Mohawk College for the Arts) on the factors of overpopulation.  they include womens issues, as well as religios ideologies and (the lack of) shared resources).  I am at the very beginning stages of this report. I have found your website of particular importance.  Do you know when human numbers first became a concern?  
Thankyou for your time.
Sylvia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  I am doing a sociology report at my college (Mohawk College for the Arts) on the factors of overpopulation.  they include womens issues, as well as religios ideologies and (the lack of) shared resources).  I am at the very beginning stages of this report. I have found your website of particular importance.  Do you know when human numbers first became a concern?<br />
Thankyou for your time.<br />
Sylvia</p>
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		<title>By: Speak out on overpopulation, but know the history first &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Speak out on overpopulation, but know the history first &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is inextricably entwined with racism and coercion. In a more extensive post a couple months ago, I outlined the unpleasant history of population control movements and detailed how they have fallen disproportionately on poor women [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is inextricably entwined with racism and coercion. In a more extensive post a couple months ago, I outlined the unpleasant history of population control movements and detailed how they have fallen disproportionately on poor women [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Shea</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/03/sordid-population-control/#comment-2488</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a good thing then that we&#039;re all open-minded, and receptive to reasonable discussion and input.  I for one am glad to see that comment at the GPSO website, and I expect that many among the growing list of participants will speak out against the abuses too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good thing then that we&#8217;re all open-minded, and receptive to reasonable discussion and input.  I for one am glad to see that comment at the GPSO website, and I expect that many among the growing list of participants will speak out against the abuses too.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/03/sordid-population-control/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miriam Goldstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The quotation you found was added to the GPSO website in response to my post, following a polite debate I had with the GPSO organizer, John Feeney. At the time of writing there was no such acknowledgment.

Mr. Feeney and I still disagree on some of the fundamentals, but he convinced me that he counted support for women&#039;s rights as a legit method of population control, and I think that I convinced him that he had no hope of spreading his message to historically abused populations without explicitly repudiating coercive measures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quotation you found was added to the GPSO website in response to my post, following a polite debate I had with the GPSO organizer, John Feeney. At the time of writing there was no such acknowledgment.</p>
<p>Mr. Feeney and I still disagree on some of the fundamentals, but he convinced me that he counted support for women&#8217;s rights as a legit method of population control, and I think that I convinced him that he had no hope of spreading his message to historically abused populations without explicitly repudiating coercive measures.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Shea</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/03/sordid-population-control/#comment-2485</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to Miriam&#039;s comment that the GPSO webpage &quot;utterly fails to acknowledge the nasty history of population control(,)&quot; here is a direct quotation from the GPSO page.

&quot;1.  One of the historical roots of the taboo involves understandable concern about some past human rights abuses carried out in the name of “population control.” (There were reports in the mid-1970s, for example, of forced sterilizations in some states in India.)

Many of the roots, however, reflect disingenuous, sometimes politically motivated distortions leading, for example, to denials of the population-environment link. In all cases the result has been a deliberate suppression of discussion of this crucial environmental issue. We urge instead open, intellectually honest discussion, repudiating abuses and asserting our respect for human rights.&quot;

Although this may not be explicit enough for some, it most certainly does acknowledge the abuses and nasty history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Miriam&#8217;s comment that the GPSO webpage &#8220;utterly fails to acknowledge the nasty history of population control(,)&#8221; here is a direct quotation from the GPSO page.</p>
<p>&#8220;1.  One of the historical roots of the taboo involves understandable concern about some past human rights abuses carried out in the name of “population control.” (There were reports in the mid-1970s, for example, of forced sterilizations in some states in India.)</p>
<p>Many of the roots, however, reflect disingenuous, sometimes politically motivated distortions leading, for example, to denials of the population-environment link. In all cases the result has been a deliberate suppression of discussion of this crucial environmental issue. We urge instead open, intellectually honest discussion, repudiating abuses and asserting our respect for human rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although this may not be explicit enough for some, it most certainly does acknowledge the abuses and nasty history.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Shea</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM DON’T CHANGE THE FACTS

It is not racist or misanthropic to try to protect the environment and our children’s natural heritage. Yet that is typically the knee-jerk response to those who point out environmental reasons for halting human population growth.  Those reasons cited include the current human-caused “Sixth Great Extinction,” collapse of ocean fish stocks and other sea life, emissions and pollution affecting our oceans and our weather, soil exhaustion and continued loss of arable land to concrete and asphalt, and water shortages.

The two factors that drive population growth in many developed countries, including Canada, are immigration and the natural population increase. 

Immigrants do not generally come to Canada to keep the same standard of living as in their country of origin. Using William Rees’ “ecological footprint” concept, the vast majority of immigrants to Canada who adopt close to an average Canadian standard of living will magnify their ecological footprint many times over (data available on request).  As an example, an immigrant from India will increase his or her ecological footprint by almost seven hundred percent.  Of the countries not listed, only a very few have an ecological footprint close to that of Canada.  Again, the vast majority of immigrants from other countries magnify their footprint significantly when they move to Canada.  South of the border, a report by the Centre for Immigrant Studies (http://www.cis.org/GreenhouseGasEmissions) established that, on average, each immigrant quadrupled his or her GHG emissions upon arrival to the United States.  Canadian figures are comparable, that is, GHG emissions are more than five times the global average.


It is important to note that the ecological footprint of Canadians extends far beyond our borders, to include the pollution and waste in countries which produce our goods for us, the loss of biodiversity in countries where forest and natural areas are converted to agricultural production for the food we eat, further depletion of ocean fish stocks, and the numerous other ways Canadians have an impact on this planet.   

These are facts.  They do not assign blame to immigrants.  Indeed, if there is any blame to be assigned for this enormous impact on the environment, it should be laid at the feet of Canadian politicians and the business lobby, who actively promote even more immigration to Canada while claiming that we are working to reduce our consumption and our emissions.

The other contributing factor to our population growth is of course the domestic birthrate.  Each newborn goes from essentially a zero footprint to a measurable amount in the short span of a delivery, and the footprint increases to one hundred percent over the course of a few decades.  But if we only had to deal with the domestic birthrate, the Canadian population would in fact be declining, so this would not be so much of an issue.

We are often told that conservation and reduction in consumption is the solution, and therefore population growth is not an issue.  But those who truly understand exponential growth realize that conservation by itself will not solve our current environmental problems.  The claim by some is that we can easily reduce our per capita consumption by thirty percent. What those making that claim won’t add is that only thirty-five years of growth at our current rate will take us right back to the same total consumption level, accompanied by further loss of species, impact on food stocks, loss of local wildlife and natural areas – in short, there will be no overall reduction in consumption, and our environmental problems will be even more serious. The environment doesn’t care about per capita consumption.  Only total consumption.

What those making the claim about a thirty percent reduction also won’t add is that, according to Rees’ model, Canadians would have to reduce per capita consumption by more than seventy percent to be even close to a sustainable global level.  And we have to reduce by even more as population continues to grow. Our economy and apparent prosperity are really an artificial bubble we have created by using up resources and the natural world in a manner that will impoverish future generations, not only in other countries, but even right here in Canada.

Finally, what do we make of the argument that Canada has an obligation to accept immigrants and refugees? Unfortunately, it appears as though we have reached a point where our obligation to the environment, to our own children, and perhaps even to the survival of our civilization are the trump cards.  Promoting even more population growth in Canada will exacerbate the numerous problems we already face at home, have an enormous negative impact on the planet, and in general lead us even farther away from a sustainable life.

No, the people pointing out these facts and calling for change are not racists, or misanthropes.  They in fact are the only ones who seem to care about the future of our planet, and our children. They are the sane and civilized voices in a world obsessed with growth.

Rick Shea,  November 6/08]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM DON’T CHANGE THE FACTS</p>
<p>It is not racist or misanthropic to try to protect the environment and our children’s natural heritage. Yet that is typically the knee-jerk response to those who point out environmental reasons for halting human population growth.  Those reasons cited include the current human-caused “Sixth Great Extinction,” collapse of ocean fish stocks and other sea life, emissions and pollution affecting our oceans and our weather, soil exhaustion and continued loss of arable land to concrete and asphalt, and water shortages.</p>
<p>The two factors that drive population growth in many developed countries, including Canada, are immigration and the natural population increase. </p>
<p>Immigrants do not generally come to Canada to keep the same standard of living as in their country of origin. Using William Rees’ “ecological footprint” concept, the vast majority of immigrants to Canada who adopt close to an average Canadian standard of living will magnify their ecological footprint many times over (data available on request).  As an example, an immigrant from India will increase his or her ecological footprint by almost seven hundred percent.  Of the countries not listed, only a very few have an ecological footprint close to that of Canada.  Again, the vast majority of immigrants from other countries magnify their footprint significantly when they move to Canada.  South of the border, a report by the Centre for Immigrant Studies (<a href="http://www.cis.org/GreenhouseGasEmissions" rel="nofollow">http://www.cis.org/GreenhouseGasEmissions</a>) established that, on average, each immigrant quadrupled his or her GHG emissions upon arrival to the United States.  Canadian figures are comparable, that is, GHG emissions are more than five times the global average.</p>
<p>It is important to note that the ecological footprint of Canadians extends far beyond our borders, to include the pollution and waste in countries which produce our goods for us, the loss of biodiversity in countries where forest and natural areas are converted to agricultural production for the food we eat, further depletion of ocean fish stocks, and the numerous other ways Canadians have an impact on this planet.   </p>
<p>These are facts.  They do not assign blame to immigrants.  Indeed, if there is any blame to be assigned for this enormous impact on the environment, it should be laid at the feet of Canadian politicians and the business lobby, who actively promote even more immigration to Canada while claiming that we are working to reduce our consumption and our emissions.</p>
<p>The other contributing factor to our population growth is of course the domestic birthrate.  Each newborn goes from essentially a zero footprint to a measurable amount in the short span of a delivery, and the footprint increases to one hundred percent over the course of a few decades.  But if we only had to deal with the domestic birthrate, the Canadian population would in fact be declining, so this would not be so much of an issue.</p>
<p>We are often told that conservation and reduction in consumption is the solution, and therefore population growth is not an issue.  But those who truly understand exponential growth realize that conservation by itself will not solve our current environmental problems.  The claim by some is that we can easily reduce our per capita consumption by thirty percent. What those making that claim won’t add is that only thirty-five years of growth at our current rate will take us right back to the same total consumption level, accompanied by further loss of species, impact on food stocks, loss of local wildlife and natural areas – in short, there will be no overall reduction in consumption, and our environmental problems will be even more serious. The environment doesn’t care about per capita consumption.  Only total consumption.</p>
<p>What those making the claim about a thirty percent reduction also won’t add is that, according to Rees’ model, Canadians would have to reduce per capita consumption by more than seventy percent to be even close to a sustainable global level.  And we have to reduce by even more as population continues to grow. Our economy and apparent prosperity are really an artificial bubble we have created by using up resources and the natural world in a manner that will impoverish future generations, not only in other countries, but even right here in Canada.</p>
<p>Finally, what do we make of the argument that Canada has an obligation to accept immigrants and refugees? Unfortunately, it appears as though we have reached a point where our obligation to the environment, to our own children, and perhaps even to the survival of our civilization are the trump cards.  Promoting even more population growth in Canada will exacerbate the numerous problems we already face at home, have an enormous negative impact on the planet, and in general lead us even farther away from a sustainable life.</p>
<p>No, the people pointing out these facts and calling for change are not racists, or misanthropes.  They in fact are the only ones who seem to care about the future of our planet, and our children. They are the sane and civilized voices in a world obsessed with growth.</p>
<p>Rick Shea,  November 6/08</p>
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		<title>By: Madhu</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for articulating your annoyance with this albatross so well - and for linking to my own blog post on the parallels between Ehrlich and Duke.

While the Sierra Club may have learnt its lesson, and is now avoiding the term &quot;population control&quot;, I don&#039;t think many environmentalists have thought through these issues. I keep seeing this albatross appearing in forums such as Ecolog-L (the listserv of the Ecological Society of America) where a number of people are pushing the society to articulate and advocate a coherent policy position. The discussion has come up again over the past couple of weeks in anticipation of the new administration in this country. And people keep bringing up the population control issue.

I therefore think we have to keep pushing back, and I&#039;m glad someone is reading these posts so we are not just howling in the wind. I got very little immediate reaction to my post, and only just noticed via technorati that you had linked to it! I guess its a good thing these ideas can remain available on these interwebs for people to stumble upon.

And now I may have another blog to add to my rss reader! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for articulating your annoyance with this albatross so well &#8211; and for linking to my own blog post on the parallels between Ehrlich and Duke.</p>
<p>While the Sierra Club may have learnt its lesson, and is now avoiding the term &#8220;population control&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think many environmentalists have thought through these issues. I keep seeing this albatross appearing in forums such as Ecolog-L (the listserv of the Ecological Society of America) where a number of people are pushing the society to articulate and advocate a coherent policy position. The discussion has come up again over the past couple of weeks in anticipation of the new administration in this country. And people keep bringing up the population control issue.</p>
<p>I therefore think we have to keep pushing back, and I&#8217;m glad someone is reading these posts so we are not just howling in the wind. I got very little immediate reaction to my post, and only just noticed via technorati that you had linked to it! I guess its a good thing these ideas can remain available on these interwebs for people to stumble upon.</p>
<p>And now I may have another blog to add to my rss reader! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Goldstein</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the happy dance! But I have too many incriminating photos from college to run for office. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the happy dance! But I have too many incriminating photos from college to run for office. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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