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		<title>By: Gila</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/19/science-fiction-in-science/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>Gila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Ursula Le Guin...all great reads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Ursula Le Guin&#8230;all great reads.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interpreting the question as technology-oriented science fiction. It&#039;s a lot easier to think of good books that DON&#039;T explain the science. For example, in &quot;Left Hand of Darkness&quot; Ursula Le Guin talks a lot about the social implications of people without fixed gender, but not very much about how the people got that way. Or all the sentient-computer driven world-hopping time-travel madness in Dan Simmons&#039; &quot;Hyperion.&quot;

Martini-Corona - No, I&#039;ve never read Brin. I&#039;ll check it out - the premise sounds neat. Not sure I can deal with the Integral Trees, though...Niven DOES tend to make me die inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interpreting the question as technology-oriented science fiction. It&#8217;s a lot easier to think of good books that DON&#8217;T explain the science. For example, in &#8220;Left Hand of Darkness&#8221; Ursula Le Guin talks a lot about the social implications of people without fixed gender, but not very much about how the people got that way. Or all the sentient-computer driven world-hopping time-travel madness in Dan Simmons&#8217; &#8220;Hyperion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Martini-Corona &#8211; No, I&#8217;ve never read Brin. I&#8217;ll check it out &#8211; the premise sounds neat. Not sure I can deal with the Integral Trees, though&#8230;Niven DOES tend to make me die inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s a sign of my competing girly and boy-y (is that a word?) aspects, but I like SF with both character development and speculative technology. There&#039;s not much SF that does both well. 

Martini-Corona: I think novel &quot;Children of Men&quot; is an interesting example of non-SF-like science fiction. The tone is not that far different from James&#039;s murder mysteries, and has a very English feel to it. There&#039;s not much an attempt made to explain what has happened scientifically, instead focusing on what happens to society.

Thanks for participating in the discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s a sign of my competing girly and boy-y (is that a word?) aspects, but I like SF with both character development and speculative technology. There&#8217;s not much SF that does both well. </p>
<p>Martini-Corona: I think novel &#8220;Children of Men&#8221; is an interesting example of non-SF-like science fiction. The tone is not that far different from James&#8217;s murder mysteries, and has a very English feel to it. There&#8217;s not much an attempt made to explain what has happened scientifically, instead focusing on what happens to society.</p>
<p>Thanks for participating in the discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: Martini-Corona</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/19/science-fiction-in-science/#comment-2464</link>
		<dc:creator>Martini-Corona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, for lots of physics-heavy world building and also gender relations that will make you poke your brain out (IIRC -- I read this in middle school), please read &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Integral_Trees&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Integral Trees&lt;/a&gt;. I recall a fair amount of sex-in-freefall as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, for lots of physics-heavy world building and also gender relations that will make you poke your brain out (IIRC &#8212; I read this in middle school), please read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Integral_Trees" rel="nofollow">The Integral Trees</a>. I recall a fair amount of sex-in-freefall as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Martini-Corona</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/11/19/science-fiction-in-science/#comment-2463</link>
		<dc:creator>Martini-Corona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Right now, I don’t see scifi as having much to do with real science.

That&#039;s may depend on what you classify as &quot;science&quot; fiction vs. &quot;speculative&quot; fiction. What about Wm. Gibson&#039;s stuff? Internets = science... kind of. Or dystopian futures, like in Never Let Me Go (cloning), Children of Men (environmental pollution? unclear), or Cloud Atlas (all of the above)? I suppose these stories fall more into the category of &quot;scientific ethics&quot; than &quot;science,&quot; but it should all be related.

I have a feeling that &quot;hard&quot; sci-fi is more technical... for non-mystical dolphins, you might try David Brin&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplift_Universe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uplift&lt;/a&gt; series. Or if you have tried them and they make you die inside... sorry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Right now, I don’t see scifi as having much to do with real science.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s may depend on what you classify as &#8220;science&#8221; fiction vs. &#8220;speculative&#8221; fiction. What about Wm. Gibson&#8217;s stuff? Internets = science&#8230; kind of. Or dystopian futures, like in Never Let Me Go (cloning), Children of Men (environmental pollution? unclear), or Cloud Atlas (all of the above)? I suppose these stories fall more into the category of &#8220;scientific ethics&#8221; than &#8220;science,&#8221; but it should all be related.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that &#8220;hard&#8221; sci-fi is more technical&#8230; for non-mystical dolphins, you might try David Brin&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplift_Universe" rel="nofollow">Uplift</a> series. Or if you have tried them and they make you die inside&#8230; sorry?</p>
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