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		<title>By: Eric Wolff</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/12/24/why-we-still-need-and-will-always-need-professional-science-journalists/#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Wolff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professional science blogger = professional science journalist. That&#039;s just how it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional science blogger = professional science journalist. That&#8217;s just how it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Coturnix</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/12/24/why-we-still-need-and-will-always-need-professional-science-journalists/#comment-2642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coturnix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;s skip the first &quot;kabuki&quot; part because that is the key part of the post. Also read the comment thread, and the responses by Stephanie Zvan and Tom Levenson (linked at the bottom of the post).

I am not an active research scientist - I am a professional scienceblogger and I work for a science publisher. I am open about it.

As the post was about the &quot;kabuki&quot; and science journalism was a side-issue, you need to follow some of the links within for more of the stuff I have written specifically about science journalism, and journalism as a whole, in order to see a more complete picture of my views on the topic. Archives - categories &quot;Media&quot;, &quot;Open Science&quot;, &quot;Science Reporting&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;s skip the first &#8220;kabuki&#8221; part because that is the key part of the post. Also read the comment thread, and the responses by Stephanie Zvan and Tom Levenson (linked at the bottom of the post).</p>
<p>I am not an active research scientist &#8211; I am a professional scienceblogger and I work for a science publisher. I am open about it.</p>
<p>As the post was about the &#8220;kabuki&#8221; and science journalism was a side-issue, you need to follow some of the links within for more of the stuff I have written specifically about science journalism, and journalism as a whole, in order to see a more complete picture of my views on the topic. Archives &#8211; categories &#8220;Media&#8221;, &#8220;Open Science&#8221;, &#8220;Science Reporting&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Isis the Scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isis the Scientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a great post, Eric!  The fact of the matter is, I am not as prolific a blogger as the men you mention.  I wish I had a Time Tirner because maybe then I would get some freakin&#039; sleep!!!

I budget myself 1-2 hours per day to spend in the blogosphere and that means I have to choose carefully the things I write about.  When I get on a bend where I am blogging about being a mother I sometimes think, &quot;I wish I were writing more science.&quot;  When I get on a kick when I write about science I somethings think, &quot;I wish I were writing more about my lifestyle.&quot;  I&#039;ve got a notebook full of stuff to write about. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve found an effective middle ground, but the fact of the matter is that I don&#039;t think scientists lack the ability to communicate to the public, per se, it&#039;s that we&#039;re not rewarded for it in the same way we are rewaded for turning out a peer-reviewed publication. 

I think that as the blogosphere becomes more accepted in academia, academics will see it as a valuable instrument for disseminating science and dialoging with the public.  In the meantime, people who value this as an important medium will keep plugging away.  I was thrilled to have been contacted by the head of my professional society and to receive such positive reinforcement.  Progress, no?

And now, I must turn back the clock to get some sleep before the Isis children awake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post, Eric!  The fact of the matter is, I am not as prolific a blogger as the men you mention.  I wish I had a Time Tirner because maybe then I would get some freakin&#8217; sleep!!!</p>
<p>I budget myself 1-2 hours per day to spend in the blogosphere and that means I have to choose carefully the things I write about.  When I get on a bend where I am blogging about being a mother I sometimes think, &#8220;I wish I were writing more science.&#8221;  When I get on a kick when I write about science I somethings think, &#8220;I wish I were writing more about my lifestyle.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve got a notebook full of stuff to write about. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve found an effective middle ground, but the fact of the matter is that I don&#8217;t think scientists lack the ability to communicate to the public, per se, it&#8217;s that we&#8217;re not rewarded for it in the same way we are rewaded for turning out a peer-reviewed publication. </p>
<p>I think that as the blogosphere becomes more accepted in academia, academics will see it as a valuable instrument for disseminating science and dialoging with the public.  In the meantime, people who value this as an important medium will keep plugging away.  I was thrilled to have been contacted by the head of my professional society and to receive such positive reinforcement.  Progress, no?</p>
<p>And now, I must turn back the clock to get some sleep before the Isis children awake.</p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/12/24/why-we-still-need-and-will-always-need-professional-science-journalists/#comment-2634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professional science journalists at least know how to fill (shower?) sheets of paper with words most folks never ever knew to exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional science journalists at least know how to fill (shower?) sheets of paper with words most folks never ever knew to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/12/24/why-we-still-need-and-will-always-need-professional-science-journalists/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been thinking about this a lot recently, and I think I agree with Eric. But a little backhandedly. Or rather, I&#039;m going to say the same thing with a slightly different inflection and a teensie bit in a humanities-technical way. The issue is not that scientists aren&#039;t good communicators. Many of them are. They have to be in order to keep getting grants. And to get and keep the respect of their peers. &amp;c. But it&#039;s not quite that there are different audiences.

What there are are a bunch of different &quot;language games.&quot; Each activity---scientific talk, teaching undergraduates, grant writing, science blogging, science journalism---has different rules that participants (speakers, listeners, readers, moderators, &amp;c.) play by. The term &quot;communication,&quot; it seems to me, abstracts unfairly from these different categories. Because you&#039;re good at one doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re good at another. And more to the point, what&#039;s really at issue is the ability to recognize when you&#039;re in one language game versus another. I think that much of why many trained scientists are &quot;ineffective communicators&quot; to the public has to do with an inability or reluctance to recognize that there are fundamentally different rules in the &quot;public discourse&quot; language game.

Think of it this way: science journalists, science bloggers, and really good teachers all have very, very different amounts of and kinds of authority with respect to their audiences, even beyond how much relevant background knowledge these audiences may or may not have. And being an &quot;effective communicator&quot; means more than just figuring out how to &quot;translate&quot; ideas into and out of the relevant level of and relationship to jargon (e.g. undergraduates are expected to learn the jargon, but not newspaper readers). You might think of this in terms of how different audiences&#039; interest is stimulated or directed, or how much trust they have that an effort to understand new ideas will &quot;pay off&quot; (whatever that means in whichever context we&#039;re in). Students have their interests largely dictated for them (I tell you what you need to know), and the payoff is pretty well understood (grades, professionalization, degree-granting, intellectual stimulation). What good teachers do is manage these complex relationships between trust, interest, and payoff well. But journalists can hardly do the same thing. And so &quot;good communication&quot; here has something to do with managing the much more complex and tacit ways of eliciting (the weirdly abstract category of &quot;public&quot;) interest, managing institutional authorities (individual scientists, universities, degrees, newspapers, governments, &amp;c.), and issues of &quot;relevance&quot; (where science-journalism runs up against other journalistic language games like political-journalism). And science bloggers have yet another set of complex concerns in terms of authority (built up much more around questions of personal interest and style; in classical rhetoric, the &quot;ethical appeal&quot;).

I&#039;m not sure where that gets us, but it seems to me to be a really useful way to think about what&#039;s at issue in making scientific knowledge available in domains other than academic institutions. And it&#039;s an argument for scientific journalism to continue, as separate from science blogging. And, moreover, I think it helps explain why many researchers and professors don&#039;t necessarily make good science journalists beyond, &quot;they spend their time titrating things.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a lot recently, and I think I agree with Eric. But a little backhandedly. Or rather, I&#8217;m going to say the same thing with a slightly different inflection and a teensie bit in a humanities-technical way. The issue is not that scientists aren&#8217;t good communicators. Many of them are. They have to be in order to keep getting grants. And to get and keep the respect of their peers. &amp;c. But it&#8217;s not quite that there are different audiences.</p>
<p>What there are are a bunch of different &#8220;language games.&#8221; Each activity&#8212;scientific talk, teaching undergraduates, grant writing, science blogging, science journalism&#8212;has different rules that participants (speakers, listeners, readers, moderators, &amp;c.) play by. The term &#8220;communication,&#8221; it seems to me, abstracts unfairly from these different categories. Because you&#8217;re good at one doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re good at another. And more to the point, what&#8217;s really at issue is the ability to recognize when you&#8217;re in one language game versus another. I think that much of why many trained scientists are &#8220;ineffective communicators&#8221; to the public has to do with an inability or reluctance to recognize that there are fundamentally different rules in the &#8220;public discourse&#8221; language game.</p>
<p>Think of it this way: science journalists, science bloggers, and really good teachers all have very, very different amounts of and kinds of authority with respect to their audiences, even beyond how much relevant background knowledge these audiences may or may not have. And being an &#8220;effective communicator&#8221; means more than just figuring out how to &#8220;translate&#8221; ideas into and out of the relevant level of and relationship to jargon (e.g. undergraduates are expected to learn the jargon, but not newspaper readers). You might think of this in terms of how different audiences&#8217; interest is stimulated or directed, or how much trust they have that an effort to understand new ideas will &#8220;pay off&#8221; (whatever that means in whichever context we&#8217;re in). Students have their interests largely dictated for them (I tell you what you need to know), and the payoff is pretty well understood (grades, professionalization, degree-granting, intellectual stimulation). What good teachers do is manage these complex relationships between trust, interest, and payoff well. But journalists can hardly do the same thing. And so &#8220;good communication&#8221; here has something to do with managing the much more complex and tacit ways of eliciting (the weirdly abstract category of &#8220;public&#8221;) interest, managing institutional authorities (individual scientists, universities, degrees, newspapers, governments, &amp;c.), and issues of &#8220;relevance&#8221; (where science-journalism runs up against other journalistic language games like political-journalism). And science bloggers have yet another set of complex concerns in terms of authority (built up much more around questions of personal interest and style; in classical rhetoric, the &#8220;ethical appeal&#8221;).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where that gets us, but it seems to me to be a really useful way to think about what&#8217;s at issue in making scientific knowledge available in domains other than academic institutions. And it&#8217;s an argument for scientific journalism to continue, as separate from science blogging. And, moreover, I think it helps explain why many researchers and professors don&#8217;t necessarily make good science journalists beyond, &#8220;they spend their time titrating things.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Wolff</title>
		<link>http://theoystersgarter.com/2008/12/24/why-we-still-need-and-will-always-need-professional-science-journalists/#comment-2629</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Wolff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But most of the communication you&#039;re talking about is technical communication, in which the writer/speaker can comfortably assume a basic level of understanding on the part of their audience. Conversation between scientists, or with their bosses (who are at least technically conversant with their missions) and grant writing are all jargon heavy, technical writing written for an audience of other people who speak the language of the field in general, if not the specialty. None of this is useful practice for broader communication with the world at large. 

So, that leaves teaching, which by definition does entail communicating technical concepts to a lay audience. Well, it does at at introductory and intermediate levels of college teaching, anyway. But while I do think some professors care  about teaching, a lot don&#039;t. A lot don&#039;t see it as an important part of their job, just something they have to do. And I&#039;m not just going on stereotypes here. I&#039;ve taken those classes, and more recently, I&#039;ve interviewed those scientists. And that ignores the many researchers whose jobs don&#039;t entail teaching at all, thus reducing their need to translate their ideas for a lay audience even further.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But most of the communication you&#8217;re talking about is technical communication, in which the writer/speaker can comfortably assume a basic level of understanding on the part of their audience. Conversation between scientists, or with their bosses (who are at least technically conversant with their missions) and grant writing are all jargon heavy, technical writing written for an audience of other people who speak the language of the field in general, if not the specialty. None of this is useful practice for broader communication with the world at large. </p>
<p>So, that leaves teaching, which by definition does entail communicating technical concepts to a lay audience. Well, it does at at introductory and intermediate levels of college teaching, anyway. But while I do think some professors care  about teaching, a lot don&#8217;t. A lot don&#8217;t see it as an important part of their job, just something they have to do. And I&#8217;m not just going on stereotypes here. I&#8217;ve taken those classes, and more recently, I&#8217;ve interviewed those scientists. And that ignores the many researchers whose jobs don&#8217;t entail teaching at all, thus reducing their need to translate their ideas for a lay audience even further.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, knowing as many scientists as you do, I&#039;m surprised how skewed your view is of what scientists do all day. While most of us would love nothing better than to have all day to sit around titrating, regular communication is indeed a huge part of our daily routine. I&#039;m not arguing that we&#039;re all good at it, but certainly your written image of a scientist as someone spending all day in the lab communicating only with his or her test tubes and never getting any practice at communication skills is way off. In the realm of academic research science, all but a select few of us spend several hours a day teaching, and those of us who take that part of the job seriously do seek continually to improve our communication skills. Admittedly speaking to students and speaking to the general public isn&#039;t the same thing, but there are certainly communication skills involved. I can&#039;t speak very much toward what scientists in government and industry do with their days, but I would expect there is plenty of a need to explain what you&#039;ve spent the week doing to your non-scientist CEO or congressional panels. Not to mention the continual parade of grant-writing and reports on current and past work to university administration and other overseers. It is the rare scientist whose job does not in some way involve communicating his or her science on a regular basis.

I don&#039;t know enough about it to say anything intelligent about the future of or need for good science journalism and I certainly don&#039;t claim that all scientists (or even most) are great communicators, but I think you have mischaracterized scientists as non-interactive lab machines. 

And for the record, I&#039;m guessing that if you asked most scientists, the thing they get to spend the most &quot;precious little time&quot; doing is their actual science. Even the titrating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, knowing as many scientists as you do, I&#8217;m surprised how skewed your view is of what scientists do all day. While most of us would love nothing better than to have all day to sit around titrating, regular communication is indeed a huge part of our daily routine. I&#8217;m not arguing that we&#8217;re all good at it, but certainly your written image of a scientist as someone spending all day in the lab communicating only with his or her test tubes and never getting any practice at communication skills is way off. In the realm of academic research science, all but a select few of us spend several hours a day teaching, and those of us who take that part of the job seriously do seek continually to improve our communication skills. Admittedly speaking to students and speaking to the general public isn&#8217;t the same thing, but there are certainly communication skills involved. I can&#8217;t speak very much toward what scientists in government and industry do with their days, but I would expect there is plenty of a need to explain what you&#8217;ve spent the week doing to your non-scientist CEO or congressional panels. Not to mention the continual parade of grant-writing and reports on current and past work to university administration and other overseers. It is the rare scientist whose job does not in some way involve communicating his or her science on a regular basis.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about it to say anything intelligent about the future of or need for good science journalism and I certainly don&#8217;t claim that all scientists (or even most) are great communicators, but I think you have mischaracterized scientists as non-interactive lab machines. </p>
<p>And for the record, I&#8217;m guessing that if you asked most scientists, the thing they get to spend the most &#8220;precious little time&#8221; doing is their actual science. Even the titrating.</p>
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